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South Dakota: House panel rejects smoking bill
aberdeennews.com ^ | Jan. 21, 2004 | JOE KAFKA

Posted on 03/02/2004 4:36:48 AM PST by SheLion

PIERRE, S.D. - An effort on behalf of smokers who want to once again be allowed to light up at Alcoholics Anonymous meetings failed miserably Wednesday in the Legislature.

The House Health Committee killed a bill 11-1 that would have made an exception to the 2002 state law that forbids smoking in most places open to the public. HB1086 would have provided an exemption for meeting rooms used by support groups for those with alcohol, drug and gambling problems.

Rep. Claire Konold, R-Watertown, offered the measure. He said many alcoholics are now avoiding Alcoholics Anonymous meetings because they may no longer smoke at those sessions.

"It is very important for those people to get to these meetings," Konold said.

Alcoholism is a serious disease, and people who have the problem should not be deterred from seeking help through support groups, he said.

However, opponents of the bill said people who smoke can hold off for the hour or so that the meetings last.

"They don't have to smoke all the time," said Rep. Bill Thompson, D-Sioux Falls.

"They do have an option. It's to step outside," added Rep. Jeffrey Haverly, R-Rapid City.

Others said this is no time to reverse progress made in 2002 when legislators banned smoking in most public places. Opponents of HB1086 also said that allowing smoking at meetings for people with alcohol, drug and gambling addictions would cause many nonsmokers to avoid the meetings.

"This is taking a great big step backwards," warned Rep. Larry Frost, R-Aberdeen.

People have the right to be free from the ill effects of secondhand smoke, said Kitty Kinsman, lobbyist for the Tobacco-Free Kids Network. The bill should be killed because it would allow smoking anywhere in meeting rooms used by people with alcohol problems, she said.

"We should not be trading one addiction for another," said Kinsman, former state health secretary.

Louis Peta, a former smoker from Pierre who has been in AA since 1976, was among those to testify Wednesday against the bill. He said legislators should not give a special exemption to alcoholics who smoke.

Smoking at Alcoholics Anonymous meetings became an issue last year in Hughes County when a Fort Pierre man was charged with breaking the law. Bernie Bergeson insisted that the meeting hall in Pierre was not a public place, but he was convicted and ordered to pay a $20 fine.

State law forbids smoking in most indoor areas where the public is invited or permitted. The law does not restrict smoking in motel rooms, casinos, bars, restaurants serving liquor, and stores that primarily sell liquor or tobacco.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; lawmakers; maine; niconazis; professional; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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Does anyone know how cold it is in the winter in S.D.????

The same as in norhtern Maine! And to make them step outside to smoke.......well, if I had that problem "I" woudn't go either!

The lawmakers are trying to make it more miserable then ever for smokers.........but they sure can't live without smokers TAX dollars to balance their budgets!

SMOKERS! WAKE UP! Buy from the net or roll your own. Stop putting your money in the state coffers! This will hurt them in their "pocketbooks," that's for sure!

1 posted on 03/02/2004 4:36:49 AM PST by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; ...
 Puff
2 posted on 03/02/2004 4:37:14 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
As an ex-smoker, who smoked for 18 years, I really have no sympathy for smokers who feel alienated. It is an extremely difficult habit to give up, but it can be done. It takes a real desire and determination.
3 posted on 03/02/2004 4:56:24 AM PST by marvlus
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To: marvlus
As an ex-smoker, who smoked for 18 years, I really have no sympathy for smokers who feel alienated. It is an extremely difficult habit to give up, but it can be done. It takes a real desire and determination.

It's especially hard to give up when you ENJOY it!  My Dad used to smoke 3 packs a day.  One day, he got up and said the he really hated it!  And he never smoked a day after that.  And that was before the days of the over priced patch and Nicorette Gum!

You really have to hate it to quit.  If you really enjoy it, then of course, it's going to be hard to give up.  Personally, I LOVE to smoke!  I am not obese and that is the only "bad habit," (if you can CALL it that) that I have. 

4 posted on 03/02/2004 5:14:30 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
I dont know about anyone else on this forum, but I am sick and tired of our rights being taken away by dictators who have infiltrated our judicial system.

It is time to fight back. Homos and their apologists are allowed to break the law with impunity. Something is very fishy.

5 posted on 03/02/2004 6:20:07 AM PST by Iron Matron (Civil Disobediance? It's not just for liberals anymore!)
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To: marvlus
It is an extremely difficult habit to give up, but it can be done. It takes a real desire and determination.

Some of us dont want to be TOLD by THE GOVERNMENT how to live our lives. Because of this smoking thing, Overweight is next, next is we will be REQUIRED to excersize in the square every morning like the CHINESE of old.

Sure smoking is bad, but the science is wrong. Not every smoker gets lung cancer, not every smoker gets emphyzema, and Second Hand Smoke fatality is NON EXISTANT!
6 posted on 03/02/2004 6:23:36 AM PST by Iron Matron (Civil Disobediance? It's not just for liberals anymore!)
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To: SheLion
Others said this is no time to reverse progress made in 2002 when legislators banned smoking in most public places. Opponents of HB1086 also said that allowing smoking at meetings for people with alcohol, drug and gambling addictions would cause many nonsmokers to avoid the meetings.

But it's OK to make it even more uncomfortable for smokers so they avoid the meetings? Where is the logic in this?

As to their claim about "public places"......One of the successes of AA is in it's anonymity.......it's not public, it is a very, very private thing.

7 posted on 03/02/2004 6:27:24 AM PST by Gabz (The tobacco industry doesn't pay cigarette taxes - smokers do!)
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To: Iron Matron
Sure smoking is bad, but the science is wrong. Not every smoker gets lung cancer, not every smoker gets emphyzema, and Second Hand Smoke fatality is NON EXISTANT!

Needs to be emphasized, giving the government the ability to take your freedom is not a good idea. Even the innocent car seat belt was a bad idea. (If it was a good idea, it would have happened without the government.) Over weight is next, as soon as the government figures out that they could tax the overweight with an annual weigh in. (don't let them know about this). Duh, its too late.

8 posted on 03/02/2004 6:56:03 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: SheLion
This started me thinking after Rush was debunking the 'addiction' angle..

Fact is few people sucessfully quit due to social pressure, those who WANT to quit usually do without much ado.

It's a smelly, awful habit, but I enjoy it and try to minimize other's discomfort.

The 'quitters' I know are usually outside the bar bumming smokes because they"only smoke when they're out".
9 posted on 03/02/2004 6:56:26 AM PST by kahoutek ((A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged))
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To: marvlus
"As an ex-smoker, who smoked for 18 years, I really have no sympathy for smokers who feel alienated."

I suppose that you don't have any sympathy for the owners of private property that can no longer allow a legal activity to occur on their own property.
10 posted on 03/02/2004 7:55:23 AM PST by CSM (Looking for a stay at home mom for my future offspring!)
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To: SheLion
"The House Health Committee......

"We should not be trading one addiction for another," said Kinsman, former state health secretary.



What's next, government mandated diets? With titles like these, be afraid, be very afraid!
11 posted on 03/02/2004 7:56:33 AM PST by CSM (Looking for a stay at home mom for my future offspring!)
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To: SheLion
Are people allowed to get sloppy drunk during meetings of "Smokers Anonymous"?
12 posted on 03/02/2004 8:03:27 AM PST by Tall_Texan ((Tagline withheld pending notification of next of kin))
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To: Iron Matron
It is time to fight back. Homos and their apologists are allowed to break the law with impunity. Something is very fishy.


13 posted on 03/02/2004 8:16:50 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Tall_Texan
Are people allowed to get sloppy drunk during meetings of "Smokers Anonymous"?

Is that a DIG?

14 posted on 03/02/2004 8:23:16 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: CSM
I suppose that you don't have any sympathy for the owners of private property that can no longer allow a legal activity to occur on their own property.

That would be crossing the line, however, can you cite an example of this happening?

15 posted on 03/02/2004 9:04:32 AM PST by marvlus
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To: marvlus
What the heck do you think these bans are? The owner of the property should be able to decide if the AA groups can smoke. Just because an invitation is extended and accepted to enter onto the private property does not make that property "public". It is still private and we should be able to be secure in our private property rights.
16 posted on 03/02/2004 9:34:01 AM PST by CSM (Looking for a stay at home mom for my future offspring!)
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What part of PRIVATE PROPERTY does these idiots not understand?
17 posted on 03/02/2004 11:52:50 AM PST by D-fendr_2
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What part of PRIVATE PROPERTY do these idiots not understand?
18 posted on 03/02/2004 11:53:02 AM PST by D-fendr_2
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To: marvlus
As an ex-smoker, who smoked for 18 years, I really have no sympathy…

Proving the adage: "there's nothing worse than an ex-smoker."

19 posted on 03/02/2004 11:55:04 AM PST by D-fendr_2
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To: D-fendr_2
Proving the adage: "there's nothing worse than an ex-smoker."

Yup. The smell and the sight of a cigarette hanging out of someone's mouth is really disgusting to an ex-smoker, and it makes the ex-smoker grateful that he was able to kick the nasty habit!!

20 posted on 03/02/2004 4:11:09 PM PST by marvlus
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